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Topic: [homer] stupid college! [/homer]
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Jimbo
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posted 03-19-2001 17:25
   
They should still have SOME kind of comp.sci degree you could parlay your existing three years into... computer science, computer programming, something?If you've got verifiable skillz and a college degree in something computer related and another in Biz management, it shouldn't matter too much exactly what the comp.sci degree is, I don't think. IP: Logged |
eod
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posted 03-19-2001 18:47
The computer stuff falls under a different department with a ton more prereqs. I'd be in school about 2 1/2 or 3 more years if I did that. I'm looking at transfering to some other colleges. Might end up at Western Washington University. I'm also looking into dropping out and just getting my ccna and mcse..IP: Logged |
Bitchgoddess
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posted 03-19-2001 21:03
Dear God NO!!! Not another mcse!! Please! That's all anyone goes to school for up here, and I'm hoping they will eventually stop running the annoying ads on tv and the radio. Try transferring, not sure where the WWU is (is it near Portland?), but if you have to relocate there are a lot worse places than Western Washington. As long as you're south of Seatac you shouldn't have to worry about rioting anyway...IP: Logged |
BlkHuntres
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posted 03-20-2001 02:37
Eod, do NOT sell yourself short and settle for a couple of piddly certifications that are barely worth the paper they're printed on.
It sounds like transferring to another local college and finishing up there isn't really an option. Have you thought about moving to the local McTechschool, like DeVry or ITT Tech? I'm pretty sure DeVry has a branch near you, and while it's not as prestigious as a degree from a real college they're pretty well respected, and have a four-year program that's similar, if not identical, to what you've been studying.
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Bitchgoddess
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posted 03-20-2001 03:11
Well said. My neighbors are spending thousands on degrees from BCTI in certificate courses that will not do them a whole lot of good in the long run. Certifications are in my opinion not worth a damn. In order to receive them you pay an inordinate amount of money to learn how to use software that is outdated by the time they teach it to you. They're now learning Front Page, for some unknown reason, when we've been learning Dreamweaver in our spare time by reading the manual and trial and error, it's been a few months, but we're not serious web designers, so we have the time. I was shocked to learn that they actually teach ten key in that course. Ten key! I've known how to use a ten key for years, and never took a class on it, just was told that in order to do my job I'd have to learn how to use it quickly. And I did, after about a week I was keying 3 times as fast as he is after this course. Excuse my rant, I'm forced to be polite and listen to the 'today we learned...' and it's driving me nuts. Because I swear, whatever it is they're learning either my husband or myself can do it faster and better being self-taught. Don't be an MCSE Eod, I'm aware that it's better than a BCTI degree, but not by much, and you are so obviously better than that, don't be one of the herd. Moo.IP: Logged |
Jimbo
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posted 03-20-2001 08:41
Bitchgoddess:I would like to respectfully submit the possibility that your neighbor might not be glacially slow because he attends BCTI rather than learning it the hard way, but simply because he's, well... not necessarily all that capable. Real colleges and universities churn those sorts of people out by the cubic assload too, yaknow. I've had the mispleasure of encountering LOTS of 'em: people with 4-year comp.sci degrees of one flavor or another who are, literally, lucky if they can find a power switch. IP: Logged |
eod
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posted 03-20-2001 15:41
I will be avoiding the likes of ITT, BCTI, and other vocational schools. The reason universities don't offer certs, etc is because they offer an education not vocational training (though there is a trend of things moving more of vocational education over critical thinking and theory).I've enjoyed the past 4-5 years of my university experience and I have plan to schedule a meeting with the dean over this whole issue. I'm finding from professors that there are a few loop holes I can get myself into the program again. If not I will be attending a remote Western Campus (Vancover Wa right over the border from Pr0tland Or). Bitchgoddess: I'm very familiar with Olympia, Seattle, etc. I lived in Seattle for 20 years. And looks like I got out right when it went to shitsville.  IP: Logged |
Bitchgoddess
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posted 03-20-2001 22:22
We won't discuss the capability of my neighbor, we've been doing that around here for years. Hopefully you will be able to work out a loophole, they should still support 3rd and 4th year students anyway, it is rather shitty to tell a guy that close to his diploma 'sorry, you're screwed, shoulda chosen a less lucrative field'. Good luck on that, and don't knock Olympia, it's a great place to live if you can deal with eventually having your property break off into the ocean. Lacey is close enough to only have a 15 minute drive on the freeway to work and far enough away to have no crackheads in the neighborhood. IP: Logged |
yzerman
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posted 03-20-2001 23:16
Hey I resemeble that remark! Seriously I really have two years of college under my belt with a associates degree in arts and sciences and the knowledge I gained from college is great to use in my job. If you know your stuff certifications can also be a great thing to have. You have no idea how many times my company has been asked, "How many (CCIE,CITRIXNA,CCNA,MCSE,CNE's,A+) do you have on staff?" and if we didn't have a good answer even though we have staff that knows all this stuff inside out we would lose the business without the certifications to back up / prove that we know what we are doing. Certifications are great to use as a stepping stone but they shouldn't be the only thing you use to get a job. A good mixture of Certifications, College and Experience can get you very far into the IT field. If you are serious about any management position that 4 yr degree is a requirement. I do agree with you guys on one thing. I am sick of seeing MCSE bootcamps promising people who barely know Windows 98/95 and have never working in DOS or any other command line 100K jobs right out the door. I do have one thing to say. Ever since Microsoft released Windows 2000 MCSE, the requirements and tests to become a certfied for that have got very difficult and if you don't know what the hell you're doing or you have no experience installing the software you will NOT pass this test. CCNA is another test that is starting to become a joke. I wish Cisco would increase its difficulty. I heard that they have increase the percentage needed to pass. The one certification that is the GOD certification that if you are not a college graduate or don't have alot of Experience in the IT field is the CCIE certification. That test is one of the hardest in the world. Ask around if you don't believe me. -yzerman CCNA,MCSE4.0,CITRIX-NA,A+,CNA, 3COM NBX25/100, & more to come.. [This message has been edited by yzerman (edited 03-20-2001).] IP: Logged |
eod
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posted 03-21-2001 00:09
Yup the CCIE is THE cert to prove that you are the shit and you name YOUR price. Typically companies cannot afford them and thus they work as consultants, naming their demands. Don't expect ITT to be training you for CCIE.IP: Logged |
zippy
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posted 03-21-2001 00:25
This is a bit off topic, but i remembered a rant i had when i saw the post about universities offering an education and not vocational training. i had a meeting today with an advisor from school. we discussed why my university decided that the engineering programs and computer science program are "deregulated" while every other single major they offer is regulated. what is a deregulated major, you ask? I believe that it can best be explained by envisioning a large war-hammer like object being shoved sideways into your rectum... withOUT the lube. regulated programs can only have their tuition increased a certain amount each year, as mandated by the government. a deregulated program, on the other hand, has no such restriction. as an example, consider the tuition hike we experienced a year ago. every program got a 9% tuition hike, which is faily steep in its own right. however, computer science and engineering got a 19% tuition hike. so it works out like this: i'm a computer science major in the faculty of math. i can be taking a math course and paying an extra 10% for it than the guy next to me, because he's a pure math major. what does all of this have to do with what universities offer? my advisor told me that the university feels justified raising tuition so much more for us because the jobs we get when we graduate will pay so much more than what a philosophy major could earn. so in essence, the university feels that it is offering vocational training, and not an education. most comp sci and eng students dont have a problem with this, because our future careers are pretty much mapped out by the choice of our program, but i would like to feel that i am also getting a general education. why is it fair that i pay more for a psych course than some artsie? IP: Logged | |
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