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Kevin PenIsite	posted 03-20-2001 23:37 Hey all, I was wondering, whats the worlds oldest recorded religion? With a search on google, it seems that many people belive that Hinduism is the oldest. I'm not thinking Hinduism is the oldest "religion". But, what is? IP: Logged
zippy Member with a member bigger than the member with a member	posted 03-21-2001 00:37 kevin, i'm not sure why you would want to know what the oldest religion is. there were quite a few things going on before someone came up with the idea of organized religion, as i think you mean it. native tribe religion came long before judaism or buddhism or any other large religion. you think bush-men went to church every sunday morning and donated fruits and nuts at the collection plate? daaaamn no. they just knew that if they didnt sacrifice virgins to the volcano, it would swallow them whole. they had no notion of sin, or of redemption. i guess what i'm trying to say is that modern organized religion is that absolute worst way to express what is really a code of conduct for a society. god, whether he be christ himself or the fire beast inside the volcano is nothing more than a way of instilling fear in the peons so that too many Bad Things dont happen. did you know that there are actually people out there that wont shoot you and your entire family just because they're afraid of what god might do to them? IP: Logged
MightyMon s0m30n3 s3t up us the m0n	posted 03-21-2001 01:46 Hrm. Oldest "recorded" religion? That's a question that's left up to interpretation. My interpretation is, of course, sex. Why? because I'm tired. And possibly too dry. ------------------ Dad, I'm sorry I shot you. IP: Logged
That one Guy unregistered	posted 03-21-2001 02:14 That is simple , Satanism , in the future via adept psionic callers in the next few years will lay the foundation of past , just as when I people ask me how old I am , it is best summed that I am so old I was born tommorow , quite a nice paradox indeed , the bueaty of symbology and psionic planting actually even makes the power of this post involved in my personal siege to watch the coveted Leviathon rise again , in 2012 , which in if you know whats up with that year being so important, as we all know from the mayan armegeddon prophecy, it is because true enocheon translates it to Love is the eternal bridge to itself . I just hope everyone who wants to play in the big league when that " magic" time comes has already got their death ritual out of the way, for their own personal purity cleansing needs , I have faced YAMA , and I am here , now if can decide shall I maintain my Goetic pledge or just go freelance , nuthing like always being the rebel. your friend the Jabberwocky. aka The Bob, Re The sungod ps . I love being insane . Go Cubs IP: Logged
FaRaN Member with a member bigger than the member with a member	posted 03-21-2001 06:33 What about Atheism? Isn't that one the oldest? IP: Logged
LaMFear Dutch Pen - Cock sucking champ of 1999	posted 03-21-2001 07:05 Paganism. I can't back this up with facts, but I am, of course, right. IP: Logged
Amazon Anal Amazon, Assaulter of Men	posted 03-21-2001 08:39 You are right. As far as I know, Paganism is THE oldest. Atheism is not a RELIGION, but that is the oldest BELIEF. Almost all other religions stem off Paganism. THe Jewish Kabbalah is what is the closest. Christianity itself is mainly Pagan holidays. Christmas is NOT when Jesus was born. The bible says he was born when Lambs were lambing. If you know anything about farming, lambs lamb in March. Why is Christmas celebrated in December? Pagans celebrated the Feast Of Saturnalia on December 24th. The SUN is at the lowest point on the 21st, stays there for 3 days, and is "born again" on the 24th... hence the birth of the SUN/SON. Ahhh... any other questions dealing with Pagans? IP: Logged
nuentoter Hey look at me I got arrested for selling warez......... SIKE!! I'm a sneaky fuck	posted 03-21-2001 08:52 egyptian religion is probably the oldest of all recorded religions. 10000 years old. try and beat that. also they were extremely advanced. IP: Logged
LaMFear Dutch Pen - Cock sucking champ of 1999	posted 03-21-2001 09:34 Ahh come on. My paganism beats your 10000 year old Egyption religion. Paganists worshipped blobs of mud and/or little piles of sticks. How's that for organised? IP: Logged
kokinolimoneiki Member with a member	posted 03-21-2001 10:53 As far as recorded goes, yeah, probably Egyptian or even Phoenician... But as this is one of my FAVORITE topics, being a lover of anthropology, I would have to point out the evidence of "culture" with the Neanderthals (50,000 to 40,000 years ago), burying their dead with flowers, and assumingly, some sort of ritualistic ceremony. Now most wouldn't classify that as religion, but it is the predecessor. I would venture to say that this is the first evidence of a glimmer of religion. As far as formal, god-fearing faith-based religions go, Egyptians, I guess...yeah, but only because of our lack of a written record before this time frame. Just a thought IP: Logged
kokinolimoneiki Member with a member	posted 03-21-2001 10:57 I'd also have to agree with Zippy, about the North and South (mostly South) American civilizations being the first "true" religious peoples. Simply because of their origin myths and folklore being similar to the people of today. But aside from these people, who really only showed up tens of thousands of years ago, Africa is always the first, and beginning. IP: Logged
Demon-of-Elru TFC Bitch	posted 03-21-2001 12:21 I would have to say that Egyptian or Sumerian would be the oldest. As far as I now, anyways. That one guy.. Satanism can't be the oldest because Satan is something that Christians or Catholics made in thier religion. IP: Logged
psyci Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r	posted 03-21-2001 13:06 The oldest major religion still surviving is hinduism (if atheism isn't considered in the running). Hinduism is the only major religion whose origin cannot be traced back to some point. Oldest non-major religion still surviving, I don't know. Oldest religion overall, we probably will never know. I'm sure quite a few ancient ones were wiped out completely, so we'll never know about. IP: Logged
Puzzling PenIs	posted 03-21-2001 13:47 A) For atheism to be considered the oldest religeon or belief (non-belief) in god, wouldn't there have to have been a belief in some sort of diety for there to be a non-belief in such a diety? For if there were no belief in a diety first, how would one know to disbelieve in one. Before the concept of a diety existed, there would be no need or desire to not believe in one. Consequently, atheism could not be older than the concept of god, however, agnosticism (the indecision as to whether a god exists or not) could have technically existed before the concept of god had come to be. B) I would hazard a guess that since one possible definition of god would be "the most important and all-powerful being in the universe," that self diefication (soloism) would quite probably be the first system of belief, although perhaps not the first religeon. It is prolly still the most common system of belief as well, as most people still see themselves as the center of the universe, and creator of their own reality (at least for positive experiences, negative experiences are normally blamed on other people or situations outside of ones control.) After all, who here has not, at one time or another, believed that their beliefs, statements, opinions, or actions were valid because they were expressed by themselves, while the beliefs, statements, opinions, or actions of others were either simply confirmations of their own beliefs, or not valid because they were in conflict with their own beliefs. I, for one, believe that what I say and think is far more important than most peoples beliefs because they originate from me. Anyone who agrees with me is also a soloist, which shows that my idea is both proven and valid. Anyone who disagrees is a fool and a heretic and should be ignored because I am the most important being in the universe, or at least in my universe. Feel free to disagree with me on this point, but I don't believe that anyone will once they really think about it. If they do, they really have no effect on my universe anyways, so they are meaningless. Not that they wouldn't be anyway. Just my two cents. Ciao! Puzzling. -blip- IP: Logged
MightyMon s0m30n3 s3t up us the m0n	posted 03-21-2001 15:36 Puzz---- As for agnosticism, I think the same argument applies there. For that concept to exist there had to be the concept of a god as well. Your definition, "indecision as to whether a god exists or not," also falls under the same argument --- there has to be the idea of a god before one can decide or not decide in its existence. Soloism....bah. The idea that one's self is the center and reason for any universe would undoubtedly not have sprung up until other concepts of creation had been made --- after all, why ponder where it all came from if there wasn't something to compare that idea to in the first place? Soloism, to me, seems the end-product of over-abundant convenience, not that of ancient people trying to chisel out a hard life against a land and sky they fear and do not understand. Everything else you said was pretty much wrong too. HAW HAW! ------------------ Dad, I'm sorry I shot you. IP: Logged
nuentoter Hey look at me I got arrested for selling warez......... SIKE!! I'm a sneaky fuck	posted 03-21-2001 16:04 well we definately know that christianity is out. because christianity came from paganism. but paganism originated in england area i believe. asian cultures are much much older than any english. so asian religions such as hinduism would probably be a better bet. then egyptian beliefs are 10000 years old. and we also know that man probably started from africa or at least some speculate so. which again add's to egyptian. but tribalism was definately before that. there are tribes in african rainforests and jungles that practice the same beliefs and rituals that they did 8000 years ago. so i believe that the oldest religion is probably some unnamed tribal belief that we don't really know about. but this is all my misguided opinion IP: Logged
Puzzling PenIs	posted 03-21-2001 17:12 MightyMon, you are a HERETIC! Of course, in my soloist view heretics are treated with respect as an important part of self awareness for this diety. But, you should be warned, some other self proclaimed dieties will smite you for such heresies. Just a warning. Ciao! Puzzling P.S.: Of the worlds ten most followed religeons, I believe that Zoroastrianism is the oldest. Of course, that is if you believe that the world started before my birth, unlike myself. For me, all religeons started just over 32 years ago, when the universe as I know it came into existance as I was born from the ether. -blip- IP: Logged
weis bonzi buddy	posted 03-21-2001 17:28 Interesting thread. Here's my two cents worth. It kind of depends on how you define religion. If we mean organized religion, with structures and churches and such, then I believe the Egyption religion would be the oldest one we have records of. However, if we define religion vaguely as mankind's attempts to deal with or venerate the notion of greater beings, then I think any anthropologist will tell you that phallus-worship predates anything else by a damn sight. And with good reason. Phalluses, unlike Gods, actually do things. Pretty good things at that. ------------------ With proper thrust, pigs fly just fine. --RFC 1925 IP: Logged
psyci Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r	posted 03-21-2001 19:47 It's true, the phallus is a rather potent diety. One time I saw this guy steal a woman's purse. As he was running away, he got hit by a bus, exactly the same time I got a massive erection. Coincidence? I think not. IP: Logged
zippy Member with a member bigger than the member with a member	posted 03-21-2001 20:00 considering phallic worship as a religion, could penismightier then be considered as a temple of that belief? a sort of church? IP: Logged
cyd Sheep sex0r	posted 03-21-2001 20:02 linghamightier seriously, though, we all know that the oldest religion is jellyfishism. be one with the jellyfish, the all seeing, all knowing, invertebrate creator who floats through the ether, casting its lot with the flow of the waves, eating only when food swims 'twixt it's vengeance-filled tentacles. truly a luminous yet transluscent being which should be awed by us all. ==-.-== thou art god. -heinlein IP: Logged
StickyLoad Great Gobs of Cream	posted 03-22-2001 17:16 I know what the worlds oldest profession is. Does that help? IP: Logged
Bitchgoddess battin' .500	posted 03-23-2001 01:00 I have to disagree with the portrayal of agnosicism in this thread. As an agnostic I think I can do that. Agnosticism isn't indecision, or disbelief. It is the lack of faith in organized religion. I and many other agnostics do not believe in organized religion, though I/we firmly believe that God exists. I simply believe that my faith in God is my business, and cannot be dictated to me by a church. Faith is very personal, and cannot be defined for us by anyone other than ourselves. As for the oldest religion, I haven't a clue, but Christianity has borrowed many things from Pagans. The idea of marriage was originally a Pagan rite called handfasting, and was illegal in the Christian religion until they decided to use it to take power away from women (Pagan women were property holders). When Christianity adopted marriage men were then able to control all of their wives assets, and the women became property as well. This has evolved over time into the institution of marriage which we have today. ------------------ Bitch IP: Logged
weis bonzi buddy	posted 03-23-2001 01:19 Bitchgoddess, thanks for the moving plea against organized religion. Unfortunately, over here in literacy world, the word "agnostic" has nothing to do with organized religion or the lack of it. An agnostic is someone who doesn't think it's possible to prove or disprove the existence of God. Additionally, "Pagan" is a vague term that refers to a type of religion, not a specific religion with a specific ritual for handfasting. At least, that's what the word used to mean; most people seem to use "Pagan" where they mean "Wiccan", which refers to a modern religion that borrows certain aspects of numerous older belief structures. ------------------ With proper thrust, pigs fly just fine. --RFC 1925 IP: Logged
Jimbo 1 dr3w j00 4 p1ggy!	posted 03-23-2001 01:34 quote: An agnostic is someone who doesn't think it's possible to prove or disprove the existence of God. "Agnostic" can also simply mean "someone who doesn't claim knowledge of" God or Gods or goddesses or whatever. Literally, the word means "one without knowledge." It would make me happy if there were a single word for people who both do not claim personal knowledge of Absolute (ie, divine) truth and don't see how it's really fucking relevant anyway. IP: Logged

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