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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 03-27-2001 23:10     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Okay, here's the super-uncluttered interface:

The way it works:

First tier on top: just "penismightier.com" and "our members have members," which will eventually change to the random slogans, like we have now.

Each item on the second tier ("Main Online Community" changes the third tier below it.

The third tier contains all the actual links. When one clicks on a link, it pops up in the lower area, and the "Main" tier comes back up.

The line border you see will help show what menu is currently selected

This is the most uncluttered I could get the interface. However, check out http://www.iloop.nl/penis/penis2/
as well (that's FaRaN's design). I am not entirely sure whether I like the completely uncluttered interface that I designed. I really do like FaRaN's layout on this one. But I'll leave that up to you guys.

Stuff that isn't in this design:
- The actual menu items aren't finalized. Eod and crew can decide those.
- There will be mouseover effects and everything on the menus. It will look good. That'll be up to Fen.
- The text won't be times new roman. It's butt ugly. But I'm too lazy to change it in photoshop.
-There will be lots more icons.

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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 03-27-2001 23:16     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Also:

- my friend suggested we check out a feature www.bluesnews.com has - the little checkboxes that say "Launch Links" and "Retro Colors," stored in a cookie on your hard drive. Launch Links, in particular, controls how links are loaded - in a new window, or in the current one. Very nice thing to have.

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zippy
Member with a member bigger than the member with a member
posted 03-28-2001 00:19     Click Here to See the Profile for zippy   Click Here to Email zippy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
some of us are putting so much time and effort into deciding what the perfect design for penismightier would look like. why? why expand all of this energy when a perfectly viable solution has already presented itself and proven itself with thousands of users?

i am of course talking about a fully skinable website! how cool would that be? every linux user loves download X themes and making his (or her) desktop all perrty (just like jon voight's mouth). Why can't the same concept be applied to a website? We can provide themes to users (or users can provide themes to users) and a visitor can choose the theme that they would like to wrap penismightier in. It would increase load time, but it would also be a first. We like to customize everything else on our desktops, so why not the sites we visit?

We could even call the themes condoms. Come to penismightier.com and wrap your pen in a custom condom today!

in all seriousness, i dont think this is actually the solution people would prefer for penismightier, but a study of how load times would be affected for a general site should be conducted. this might be the begining of a new trend in web sites.

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Snag
Leaky Pen
posted 03-28-2001 09:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Snag   Click Here to Email Snag     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yo psycho...i. I think the website does look really rad, but I dunno it just looks a wee bit cluttered on the top. I'm not sure if that can be alleviated, because I don't know if you could put it anywhere else, so ah... I guess it's just dandy. Good job dude.

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Jimbo
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posted 03-28-2001 09:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I would like to reiterate the fact that Jimbo would be an unhappy boy (if anyone cares) were space not to be found for the random tagline and the link of the moment.

Elements that automagically change either on their own or every time you hit refresh =

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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 03-28-2001 11:13     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'm actually amazed by this messageboard. Why? Because I'm actually getting very useful input back. Most messageboards, anyone tries to accomplish anything, and it's immediately flooded with terrible, unuseful, unproductive input. We seem to be getting somewhere here.

Re: zippy's post.
- skinnable website would actually be damn easy to do, really. Could be done incredibly simply by making a URL arguement, like http://www.penismightier.com/index.html?http://www.penismightier.com/skins/skin1. However, the site would still need a solid layout in order to be skinned like that. There are a couple major limitations (that would also rule out the use of flash, couldn't use custom colors in posts due to unknown background color, etc) I may try to do a prototype of a page like that at some point, maybe we can premier that as a penis sub-page or something. Like you said, I don't think this is the solution right now... but it would be something to look into.

Re: snag's post
- I agree totally. I was working towards making it as compact as possible. Honestly, I'm not sure if I like it as compact as possible - it looks cluttered in its unclutteredness. I think I should add back in the right side menus, and have the javascript put in to make them expandable/retractable. Anyone's thoughts?

re: Jimbo's post
- The random tagline in this version would be the place on the top where it says "our members have members." - that would be the first one always, but shortly after would change.
- I agree on the link of the moment. I'll make sure I add that back in for next version
- Elements that automatically change on their own or every time you hit refresh... can we think of anything else like that? Perhaps a graphic of some sort (much like www.penny-arcade.com has a different character every time you reaload)?

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Jimbo
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posted 03-28-2001 12:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
- Elements that automatically change on their own or every time you hit refresh... can we think of anything else like that? Perhaps a graphic of some sort...

WOAH! Sweet idea! ::promptly steals it to fill the blank area on the left of his own header:: I'll hook that up later tonight on my own site. R0xx0r.

The random graphic insertion would probably be better handled with CGI than with flash... as far as I know, (correct me if I'm wrong) the flash has to load all the taglines inside the flash code itself, whereas the CGI can just insert the code itself one line at a time. Anyway, if you guys want a handy-dandy MASSIVELY simple to use random element insertion script, the one I wrote for my own random tagline will work equally well for inserting random bits of, well, pretty much anything.

All you have to do is make a file named quotes.file, stick it in the same directory as quotes.cgi[/i], and populate it with entries... the way I'm using it right now (for quotes) my [b]quotes.file looks like this:

bangin' your sister on the sly
a voice in the wilderness
lowering corporate productivity

... et cetera, and it inserts a random choice in between a font tag and the ending " since 1998". I could (and am going to, now that Psyci gave me the idea) just as easily use a quotes.file like:

icon1.gif
icon2.gif
somethingorother.gif

... etcetera, and stick the include tag in the midst of an IMG SRC HTML tag.

Psyci's right, this is a hella productive jam session.

[This message has been edited by Jimbo (edited 03-28-2001).]

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nuentoter
Hey look at me I got arrested for selling warez......... SIKE!! I'm a sneaky fuck
posted 03-28-2001 18:54     Click Here to See the Profile for nuentoter   Click Here to Email nuentoter     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i think that the link of the instant could go in the bottom left corner under the big PENISMIGHTIER.COM

for a random thing do like that guy did, but a buncha things like pics of a pen pic of a hotdog ect have those load randomly

and the way fen does it i think the random line thing in flash loads it as needed not all at once, thats if im not mistaken.

but psychi i like the idea alot. i dont think its too cluttered at all, if anything just make the sub-menu a bit smaller than the main one, or actually just fade back the colors a bit.
but looks great. i wish i was better at design haha but im just an image editor i dont know much bout layout ect haha.

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fenomas
argument nazi
posted 03-28-2001 19:05     Click Here to See the Profile for fenomas   Click Here to Email fenomas     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You are neutencorrect. The random links and random tagline are both loaded from text files, which can be edited via forms in the PenIs posting area.
loading data in runtime is no problem for flash. The only thing you can't do is write to files, so you must use cgi for that.

fen

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Jimbo
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posted 03-29-2001 17:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I now have a randomly rotating 75x75 gif, generally with smartass alt tag, rotating through that formerly lonely chunk of blank-panel real estate to the immediate left of my main header. I love that shit.

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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 04-01-2001 01:37     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Okay, new idea for the top menu system. It's kinda crazy... but pretty unique. And it doesn't look cluttered at all.

way it works:
- when a user clicks on one of the main menu items (main, staff, cams, etc), it becomes brigher, and all menu items rotate around the circle so that the selected one is in the northeast corner of the circle
- the title of that menu appears over on the top right changes, as does the menu items.
- the "link of the instant" is random, with a mouseover the monitor, it pops up. in the box.

Lots of other functionality can be added to it as well. We'll leave that up to fen if we use it.

Thoughts?

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kokinolimoneiki
Member with a member
posted 04-01-2001 03:37     Click Here to See the Profile for kokinolimoneiki     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Psyci---
Let me be the first to say: I will gladly swallow your seed as many times as necessary for you to teach me your mad deisgn skillz. That shit is fantastic. I was thinking along the same lines, but all my ideas came out looking like an old-school TV tuner knob. Plus I can't do shit in Photoshop.

Good idea. That'll be some mad Flash, though. But definitely different, yes. Fuck that. We're PenIsMightier, we deserve to have a better and/or different site than all the other sites out there.

[/pointless rant]

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cyd
Sheep sex0r
posted 04-01-2001 06:24     Click Here to See the Profile for cyd   Click Here to Email cyd     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
damn, psyci, that rocks. i must agree
that you have m4d d3516n 5k1LLz. the
possibilities from that design are sweet.
i don't know from the coding end, but
if efficiency isn't too compromised by
design, i'd say you've got gold.

cyd

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cyd
Sheep sex0r
posted 04-01-2001 06:31     Click Here to See the Profile for cyd   Click Here to Email cyd     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
this is wacky, but what if the pen
from the middle of the circle was
something similar the the pen from
weis' cgi script thing, and instead
of a circle, it has the choices in
an arc on the right positioned from
5:00 to 1:00; the pen would bend up
as you move the cursor toward the top
to follow the cursor and illuminate
the choice. it would move down toward
the cursor if the cursor is moved down,
there would be a point at the base of
the pen that would either be stationary
itself, or would follow rays from a stationary point.

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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 04-01-2001 13:27     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
cyd, you're a genious.

before I start working on a design for that, fen, is bending stuff like that doable in flash?

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fenomas
argument nazi
posted 04-01-2001 21:02     Click Here to See the Profile for fenomas   Click Here to Email fenomas     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Umm. First off, a pen rotating to orient to the cursor can be done. A bending pen; I'm not sure yet. It's possible to imitate bezier curves to a certain extent with lines, but I'm not sure how an image will distort.

More than that though, I'm not sure about this menu... It's very open and floating, isn't it? Lots of words floating around, with no shape or demarcation? As well as being quite tall to boot--

fen

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nuentoter
Hey look at me I got arrested for selling warez......... SIKE!! I'm a sneaky fuck
posted 04-01-2001 23:49     Click Here to See the Profile for nuentoter   Click Here to Email nuentoter     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
fen if you use make the bending pen into a graphic and then just use 1 point for the tip you should be able to bend the lines and drag the tip, make a frame and use the morph thing
i forget what its called

i used to use flash alot but i forgot alot haha

cuz if you click/drag mid-line with the cursor you should be able to curve the line.

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psyci
Gr4ph1c4l P3nn3r
posted 04-02-2001 01:20     Click Here to See the Profile for psyci     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
to fen:
open and floating words? not sure if I know what you mean.

the orange words are all locked into the ring, those shouldn't be a problem. the gray menu items, yeah, I can see those as open and floating. I don't see them as confusing, but that's cuz I made the thing, so I'm biased. If you guys think it's confusing at all, we shouldn't do it.

as for being very tall - I definitely agree. I will try to make a shorter design if people like this one.

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Jimbo
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posted 04-02-2001 01:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
My only bitch is the "tall" part, really.

All else failing, the "bent pen" could be accomplished by simply using different graphics for each stage of "bending."

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Jimbo
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posted 04-02-2001 01:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Let me be the first to say: I will gladly swallow your seed as many times as necessary for you to teach me your mad deisgn skillz.

You know, Psyci, if I were you my response to that one would be something along the lines of "congratulations on your new apprenticeship, be ready to learn: this is going to take a long, long time until I am done teaching you everything I know."

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fenomas
argument nazi
posted 04-02-2001 06:17     Click Here to See the Profile for fenomas   Click Here to Email fenomas     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yep, lines can be bent in flash, that is the bezier function-- but a pen graphic would typically be made up of a number of lines. The simple answer is, it's not that simple.

As for floating.. All the choices are just roaming in flat undelineated space. I can't look at it and tell where the highest, middle, lowest levels of nav are, and so on. Of course, I don't have a degree in interface design, so what do I know?

Jimbo- Yeah, it could be done as a series of images, but then it could be dhtml-- it would be jerky and load-heavy, which is to say it would fail to take advantage of flash's strong points, which are that we can load only one image and let the flash renderer do the work. But I'll ponder it.

anyways...
fen

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