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Topic: Enough is fucking enough
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Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 21:24
   
Alright, Columbine. It happened 2 years ago. What's going on with it now? http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2712092,00.html THAT is going on. Now, that pisses me off very much. I'm so SICK of hearing the people of that town. They obviously cannot accept the fact that there are bad parents out there that let TV and the Internet do the parenting. Now, I am not totally sure if the victims' parents went after the killers' parents in court, so if they did, please LMK and disregard this next paragraph. Instead of going after the parents of the killers, these people are going after the -scapegoat-. The scapegoat being games. I know what they will say, "They are so violent, kids are impressionable." "They are rated mature for a reason, so thing like this won't happen." First off.. I don't see how playing Doom will make someone violent. Is it somehow that while playing a game in which you can shoot a plasma canon at pixelized targets causes you to loose grip on your anger? Ages 3-8, I believe, if I remember correctly, are a person's most impressionable time. These kids were in fucking highschool.. if they were that weakminded, they should have killed themselves a long time ago. As for the ratings things... if you give something a mature rating, thus cutting the accessiblity of it's user base, those cut off will want to see what the fuss is about. If you say "This is restricted" then those people will want to see what it is. If those parents actually somehow win, I will tweak out. People who will be violent because of a video game should be killed. Of course, now since this is happening.. all sorts of shit will occur as well. More parents, once they hear about it, will not allow thier kids to play the games. They will only let them watch TV.. then kids will kill kids and parents will blame TV. Not the fact that they weren't parenting. God people piss me off so fucking much. I swear, one day I'll fucking snap and go ona cleansing rampage. Hehe. Then people will look at me and be like "He played computer games, that's the problem!" That's why I'll have a note that states "I am doing this because I am sick of parents not understanding that it is THIER own fault that thier kids will kill. I have killed because I feel the need to show that kids will kill not because of the games they play, but becuase they are fucked up in the head, a result from a lack of parenting. Of course, I am also doing this of my own free will, so leave my parents out of it." That not will be all over me.. papers in my pockets... it'll be on a disk and a CD just because I know they'll check them. Or I should just murder the bad parents. I should be like "You think kids kill because of games? No, they don't. They kill because you suck at parenting. However, I will become exactly what you think I am.." Now, I know people are going to read this and be like "Wow, Demon is fucked up in the head." Well.. I'm not. Trust me.  But seriously, blaming games and shit has to end. I can't take much more of it. I remember back when Mortal Kombat first came out. There was a news story about how it is making kids violent. I can totally see how hitting a button causing a sprite on the screen to hit another sprite and cause an inhuman amount of bright red pixellated blood come out can cause kids to be violent. Oh wait, I can't, sorry. When will people learn that violence is caused by a person being fucked up in the head? Stop fucking blaming other things because you don't want to accept the truth. Phew.. what a rant.. IP: Logged |
Jimbo
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posted 04-24-2001 21:32
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Originally posted by Demon-of-Elru:
If those parents actually somehow win, I will tweak out.
Clearly, this young man is one of those dangerous and unbalanced "gamers" I keep hearing so much about. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 21:38
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Originally posted by Demon-of-Elru:
Now, I know people are going to read this and be like "Wow, Demon is fucked up in the head." Well.. I'm not. Trust me.
yes Jimbo, master of sarcasm. I am an unbalanced 'gamer' type alright.. :P IP: Logged |
Talpacc
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posted 04-24-2001 21:38
Honestly I have to say I agree. It seems the parents are trying to keep the shooting fresh in our minds and to mourn their kids.-NEWS FLASH- No one gives a flying fuck anymore. I know I certainly don't. There were books and biographies and all this stupid shit on a bunch of greasy-faced teenagers that no one knew existed or cared for until they caught a lead sammich in the face. Then there was all the melodramatic bullshit and so on. Then, Columbine became a distant memory, one that is in the back of your mind that you wish you could forget because you don't care about it anymore, but can't. Give it up parents. Any kid that goes and shoots up his school is way too far gone for video games to affect. I remember the big deal over Mortal Kombat and do you hear that in the news anymore? Shit no. Did you ever hear of kids ripping heads off? Shit no (besides, it's physically impossible for a child to do so). Eric Harris wrote in his journal the day of the shootings. It was a short entry that went: "This was not done because of the media, games, movies or books. It was me and my anger. I'm full of hate and I love it." Let it die, PLEASE, along with your kids. Don't maim their memory further and make us not give a fuck even more. IP: Logged |
nuentoter
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posted 04-24-2001 21:55
im with demon on his theory not his course of actionits true though, if someone watches an action movie with lots of violence does that person want to go be violent? no
if a kid plays a violent game, does that make the kid want to go be violent? no
if the kid wants to go kill some people BECAUSE he killed people in a game and thinks its ok and actually does it then that shows that the kid had problems before he even got the computer or console or whatever.
but this wasnt the case with columbine. in the columbine shooting these 2 kids were harrassed every single day of their lives by over 50% of the school population.
there was a whole time magazine article about it. trust me i know, i posted the article from time magazine (that said the shooters were victims of hate and were pushed beyond their limits) around my school and i was suspended for it because it was seen as "a threat" but thats another story... i just think its fucking moronic to think this way.
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deeznuts
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posted 04-24-2001 21:55
you are fucked in the head demon. don't worry. it happens to everyone and it wears off around 40 when you become refucked in the head when you realize your entire life has accomplished absolutely nothing. then begins the workplace shootings.IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 21:56
Nuen - that's right about the kids being harrassed in school. If I were having that happen to me, I would have so much anger built up insdie. I do now... but I would have oh so much more. Anger isn't a good thing to keep inside you... I know that. But it also isn't good to let your anger take over.IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 21:58
Deez - to others, I am fucked up in the head. To myself, I am not. Ick.. workplace shootings.. the ones that happened in Mass... my friend's dad was killed there... but his mom was already dead..  That was so horrible... fucking moron.. eye for an eye damnnit. The survivors should shoot him in non-vital areas so he bleeds to death.. after they give him a drug so he won't pass out from the pain.IP: Logged |
MasterBishop
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posted 04-24-2001 22:16
I totaly agree with Demon, gaming has no effect on the human tendancy to kill. I have been playing games since I was three years old and have no tendancies to kill anything. I think that the reason these people kill is because they are not taught the difference between fantasy and reality. No game or music for that matter will cause a person to kill unless they are already mentaly unstable. This not not give people the right to try to destroy a perfectly harmless form of entertainment. I think that the parents need to stop blaming, as Demon said "The Scapegoat" and start looking at the problem more at home. These parents are in denial and can't coup with the fact that they might have had something to do with THIER CHILDREN'S horrible actions. Crimes such as this are not created because of TV, games, or music. They are created by unstable mislead teenagers that we not taught right from wrong. Also in defense of some of the parents that might have actually tried to teach thier children the right way. You might have done your best but could not see that your child has problems. In this case it is not your fault and is just due to the defect of the brain or thought process. Things like this happen without warning sometimes. But in this case there were siad to be warning signs that were just ignored or not taken seriously. That should have definatly been looked into more fully. Once again this falls not only on the parents but on friends, teachers and other family members that just blew it off as nothing. In conclusion I would like to say that no matter how much the world would like to try not to believe that something like this is just an act of violence that is cause by a menatl inbalance. We have to pay more attention to those that we think need our help and not to overlook something that is ultimatly dangerous. Problems like this are issues that have to be delt with in the home and family. It is rediculous to tagret the things that have no actual relation to the problem at hand. We as a nation need to zone in on the way we are dealing with situations like this not try to find a way to cover up our own mistakes and misfortunes. -Just my two sense- -Bishop IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 22:21
Bishop - If people can't tell the difference between a fantasy that is confined to thier computer and reality, they should be shot. Don't say no one taught them about the different.. something like that be understood already.IP: Logged |
fenomas
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posted 04-24-2001 22:28
You guys are making this too complicated. Follow the math:
* Violent video games start with Doom in 1993.* School-related shootings, as with most other crime, have been declining for about the past thirty years.
Ergo, video games do not cause school schootings.Q.E.D. fen IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-24-2001 22:31
Fen - Violent video games started with Wolfenstein.. at least PC wise.. I think..IP: Logged |
MasterBishop
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posted 04-24-2001 22:32
Demon- I am not defending them just saying that they should have been looked at more closely by their family and talked to so that things like this won't happen. IP: Logged |
Bitchgoddess
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posted 04-24-2001 22:54
Vioent video games did not start in 1993, that's just when they got good. Don't you think Donkey Kong was violent? Beating up a helpless ape with a hammer? Or Asteroids, killing alien spaceships, or Joust, or Pac Man, or Punch Out, there have always been violent video games, and before that there were cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. Kids kill each other because they can, it's a lot easier now to get ahold of a gun and escape the notice of parents, because parents don't want to take responsibity for their lack of skill in raising children. I am also tired of having this kind of stuff blamed on the media, and gaming in particular. If parents knew what their kids were doing stuff like that wouldn't happen nearly as often as it does. Remember when those parents filed suit against Black Sabbath for making their kids kill themselves? Parents have never taken responsibility for their kids' actions, don't expect them to start now.IP: Logged |
fenomas
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posted 04-24-2001 23:09
*sigh* I knew that was gonna happen...Dammit people, Robotron was pretty violent, right? So are looney toons. Doom is being sued because modern FPS's attempt to present realistic violence, whereas Donkey Kong was *iconic* violence. Obviously, the specific game and date are not important. All video games came out within the last thirty years, okay? Stongly implying that they are not a major cause of violence, which is declining. And if anyone whines "what about advent?", that didn't have any goddam video, so shut up. sheesh. fen IP: Logged |
Bitchgoddess
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posted 04-25-2001 01:45
I was in no way implying that video games do cause violence, I don't think they do. I think crappy parenting is a big part, and the rest lies directly on the shoulders of the person doing the violence. I wasn't trying to say that violent video games or any games for that matter caused anything. All I was saying is that violent games have been around forever in one form or another, and we can't blame them for the recent decline of morals and values in teenagers.IP: Logged |
psyci
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posted 04-25-2001 02:16
Aggressiveness in teenagers isn't caused by the media, video games, bad parenting, or any of that.It's caused by Smokey the Bear. You have no idea how much being told that only *you* can prevent forest fires grates on a young child's mind. That's too large a responsibility for young children. And when a forest fire breaks out, well, that's a lot of guilt. Of course they're going to get agressive. Duh. IP: Logged |
deeznuts
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posted 04-25-2001 10:40
no, i place the fault directly on doom. it's not the ultra violence, though, or the satanic imagery. it's those motherfucking par times. 30 seconds to beat the first level?!? shit i can't run through it that fast with the enemies turned off. imagine the effect that kind of constant belittlement could have on fragile teenage self-esteem."john carmack can beat this level in a minute and a half with his eyes closed. john cash is better than you. john romero thinks you're a big pussy." shit. it's no wonder the poor kids snap. IP: Logged |
Jimbo
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posted 04-25-2001 10:51
See, what I always wanted was par times for killing every motherfucker on the level before exiting."I am a Space Marine. I am not here to run around like a sissy looking for doors, I am here to KILL FUCKING DEMONS, and I will not go through that pretty green door until EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM IS DEAD." WeRD to your mother. IP: Logged |
cyd
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posted 04-25-2001 11:37
firstly, i'd like to point out that
i was picked on, beat up, and made
fun of clear up until college.
i still never instigater violence,
and usually did not even have to
fight back to walk away unhurt
from fights. and this, from a
kid who loved to play all sorts
of violent games and was privy to
all sorts of violent media.that being said, it is also true that
existing in a culture which tabooifies
sex and glorifies violence in games
and media creates a culture obsessed
with sex and desensitized to violence.
however, it is not the fault of doom,
nor is it the fault of hustler magazine.
if we as a culture can't get over our
sex taboo and get violence down from
the pedastel, we can at least parent
our children to know how to handle those
aspects of our culture, non? IP: Logged |
kokinolimoneiki
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posted 04-25-2001 20:38
I'm not much into video games, BUT I would absolutely kill people had I NOT music, which is pretty hard and/or violent sometimes. People fucking freak out when 2 percent of our youth kill or "act out" but never ackowledge the fact that most of us, who were picked on and bullied, do not kill. What the fuck is wrong with the (mostly) older generation blaming things they can't use or understand as a scape goat for their irresponsibility as parents? Jesus. Demon is totally right. Good thread, btw. If I didn't have Metallica or Nine Inch Nails or even Tori Amos for that matter, I would most certainly kill all those who knock it constantly as the ill of our society. They are the fucking ill, and I hate them. They are so on my list now. heehee------------------
One for sorrow two for joy
Three for girls four for boys
Five for silver six for gold
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Bex
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posted 04-25-2001 21:55
1) I think single parent homes are a large part of the problem. Kids need two role models and an example of a healthy relationship. Granted, a shitty marriage isn't going to help and sometimes divorce is better. But evil, back-stabbing, cheating divorces are very bad for kids.2) I'm glad to hear someone else likes Tori Amos. Little Earthquakes has been the soundtrack to certain parts of my life. She's just awesome. -Bex
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MightyMon
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posted 04-25-2001 22:59
I'd like to lay my vote squarely down in the lap of the media. Not the music industry, not the game industry, not the movie industry, but the news media.There are millions of people who use everything that's been mentioned in this thread (music, games, movies, etc) as a release, but that isn't exactly played at 11 o'clock nor does it make the front cover of Time. It's been said before, but people who shoot up schools and workplaces do it for recognition --- jibbering on forever about how they did it and who they were and their possible reasons just feeds others with the same ideas. It's a self-perpetuating cycle, and the only ones who profit are the magazines and news stations. ------------------
Ain't that the drizzlin shits? IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-26-2001 11:46
First off, I'd like to say a new theory on why kids kill people. ITS THOSE FUCKING ISPs.
This just came to me as it took literally 5 minutes for this reply page to pop up. But it only popped up partially.. then my connection died. YESSSS. Now, on my friend's connection, that little bottom portion ISN'T APPEARING. So I have no reference to reply... So..OHHHH.. that's why it didn't appear. My friend's connection just died as well! I am typing this paragraph while offline.. hoping
I can connect long enough to actually post... Nope.. unable to connect.. THIS is why those kids killed. They just got so pissed off over the fact that thier ISP was being stupid. Trying again., and I'm online. Time to refresh the part at the bottom. Ok, it won't refresh.. that's ok. I'll just add another reply and hopefully it'll work.. IP: Logged |
Demon-of-Elru
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posted 04-26-2001 12:04
Alright, now for the actual reply.Koki - I agree. Music is a very powerful force. If I were ever unable to lie in my bed in the dark while listening to some nice music, I would have snapped a long time ago.
Thanks, I hope this thread will get better, but it's dying, oh well. If I didn't have Therion, In Flames, L u [ c ] i d, Fallout Shelter no. 028, 303 Infinity, Carl Orff, and my newly acquired bands, Stratovarius and Tristania, I would go on a cleansing spree. BTW - lists are a bad thing, unless it's a mental list. :P Mighty Mon - That's true. This is sick, but the news industry -thrives- on the bad luck of others. The more time they can spend on murders, fires, suicides, wars, anything like that, the more viewers they bring it. The more viewers get the TV station airing the news more $$. I -rarely- see things on the news that uplift my spirit. They know that "boring" non-violent stuff won't grab our attention. I find it amazing, kids aren't able to rent R rated movies, but on the news, they talk about murders, rape, suicide. I remember when there was a person on a freeway... he got his shotgun and set his truck on fire with his dog inside. The news helicopters were showing this close up. The man started to walk to the edge of the freeway(it was an overpass). Still the cameras were zoomed on him. Then he blew his head off. On -LIVE- TV... they didn't zoom out or cut out when they saw the gun point to his head. They cut off -AFTER- his head was just gibs in the air. Then they apologized. That kind of violence is in R movies, but anyone with half a brain and common sense would know that kind of violence is fake. However, this was -REAL- violence, a -REAL- suicide. No warning, no rating. It was news. IP: Logged | |
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