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Sally Struthers
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posted 07-05-2001 05:13           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jimbo:
Who says you can't learn car repair at home? It ain't exactly rocket science.

Or Real Estate. Or Gun Repair. Or dozens of other programs available through International Correspondence Schools!

I want some Twinkies!

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Biggles@Work
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posted 07-05-2001 06:10           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'm a graduate of Barry's Correspondence School of Evil and Arch-Villany.

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zaksquatch
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posted 07-05-2001 11:00     Click Here to See the Profile for zaksquatch   Click Here to Email zaksquatch     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I forgot to mention that I minored in Vorpal Nymphomation and Fine Arts (Meat Sculpture).

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PeterWiggin
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posted 07-05-2001 15:12     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterWiggin   Click Here to Email PeterWiggin     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
thanks for all the post.

Peter

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Bill
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posted 07-06-2001 08:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill   Click Here to Email Bill     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Those people looking for new jobs or training may find this site useful. There is a wealth of information there. A couple of highlights:

The Fastest Growing Jobs (by percentage increase)

The Largest Job Growth (absolute numbers)


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marcel
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posted 07-06-2001 11:43     Click Here to See the Profile for marcel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I graduated (barely) from H.S in
Pennsylvania and moved to northern California two years later. I went to the local community college (Diablo Valley Community College, I think) with a major in Frisbee. Needless to say academics came last on my list of priorities. I attempted to attend school full time and work full time, and dropped out of school in favor of the money (very short sighted).
At 21, I was awarded a certificate of “DUI” from the local authorities (at least I was of legal drinking age). Basically, I was a punk. I had not done anything productive since gradating H.S. I was feeling pretty down on myself and decided that I needed a swift kick in the ass, so I joined the U.S.M.C.

HUGE wake up call for me. I went to electronics school, and became an electrical equipment repair specialist (board swapper). I learned a few important things while in the service:

1) Get up early in the morning and do an honest day’s work.
2) Shut up and listen
3) Get along with whoever I report to
4) Take orders and follow instructions

When I left the service the state of California offered me 1 of 2 options: 1) Unemployment compensation 2) Pay for me to go through C.D.I. (control data institute). I opted for the school (this time I attended all classes) and graduated 1.5 years later. I got a job as a computer repair specialist (board swapper) my territory was northern Ca. and western Nevada. I started to work with a VERY early version of UNIX used at Pacific Bell call centers. I was married, brought a house, got divorced, lost the house, lost everything. I came to Ohio in January 1990, penniless and about 10K in credit debt. My first job in Ohio paid 26K, I was thirty then and had wasted a lot of time. I began to job-hop with mom and pop consulting companies. Starting with UNIX admin, this led to a multitude of DBA jobs (Sybase v4.2, Oracle 7, DB2). In the last 10 years my salary has gone from 26K to over 115K. There are a lot of well paid I.S. professionals who went the traditional college route who probably did not have to spend the all-niters that I did to resolve the issues. But then again, I was being paid by the hour. For what it’s worth, here’s some observations I have made along the way:

1) If you REALLY want to speed your career along – take jobs that are SUBSTANTIALLY over your head and grow into them.

2) Get along with EVERYONE. The techno-nerd that you can’t stand may be your boss a few years from now.

3) Try to develop and nurture interpersonal relationships with your direct superiors (male or female). It’s good to associate with success.

4) Set realistic goals for yourself, weekly, monthly, yearly. Take frequent check points.

5) When negotiating for salary: Remember, an offer is just that, you SHOULD counter offer with at least 5-10% (they can always say no).

6) Contract / Consulting work is a great way to gain a lot of experience in a limited amount of time.

7) NEVER burn bridges.


I have setup and contribute to college funds for my kids. My hope is that they will be more mature that I was when they graduate High School. The college path would have been much more desirable (probably quicker) than the Military/tech-school route. But some of us have to learn the hard way.

- marcel

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zippy
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posted 07-06-2001 20:30     Click Here to See the Profile for zippy   Click Here to Email zippy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i admire people that can avoid going the university (college for you americans) route. university in a technical major has always seemed like such a safe and well established path to take. it provides (notionally) for a measure of job security and some insight into your future. i could never imagine having done anything else after high school like the military because it leaves things so much more open ended and... scary.

mommy!

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