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joshy
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posted 09-11-2001 10:39     Click Here to See the Profile for joshy   Click Here to Email joshy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
What the heck is the story on the plane in Pennsylvania?

It was reported down right after the Pentagon got hit, but not a single update or picture has come out after a SEVEN-FORTY-SEVEN hit the dirt! Not ONE local reporter has a telephone or a digital camera and a modem?

Methinks it was shot down by our air force.

Anybody in the area wanna try to get some pics? I'm in Columbus, but considering blowing work for a road-trip.

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[This message has been edited by joshy (edited 09-11-2001).]

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eod
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posted 09-11-2001 10:43     Click Here to See the Profile for eod   Click Here to Email eod     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I've seen some coverage but not a lot..

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MrSelfdestruct
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posted 09-11-2001 10:46     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSelfdestruct   Click Here to Email MrSelfdestruct     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Evidently, the plane that crashed in PA was a hijacked plane that was crashed south of Pitsburg. I have heard of conflicting reports that a passenger of this plane dialed 911 from a lavratory in the plane to report the hijacking. This is all that I know from here.

That is all

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Snag
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posted 09-11-2001 11:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Snag   Click Here to Email Snag     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Word is: That plane may have been headed toward Washington DC... how that's possible is beyond me, because DC is in the other direction. I've heard several things... one is that the AF shot the plane down in order to perserve national safety and protect DC.

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nuentoter
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posted 09-11-2001 17:12     Click Here to See the Profile for nuentoter   Click Here to Email nuentoter     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i heard that it is believed that the pilot in a last ditch effort pulled the plane to the ground instead of letting the hijackers/terrorists do whatever with the plane

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MightyMon
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posted 09-11-2001 17:53     Click Here to See the Profile for MightyMon   Click Here to Email MightyMon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Talked to my uncle who lives in Norfolk, VA. He seems to think that the plane was headed towards the Sears Tower in Chicago, of all places. My initial idea was the Capitol, but snag has a valid point.

And my initial reaction to the plane crashing in PA was --- the military shot that bitch down. But I don't know.

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Zornog
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posted 09-11-2001 17:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Zornog   Click Here to Email Zornog     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I heard the plane was going to Camp David, but I have no idea where anything is in the east. And as for going to the Capitol, the other planes flew pretty far away and then did U-turns to slam into the WTC, so maybe that's what it was doing.

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Bex
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posted 09-11-2001 19:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Bex   Click Here to Email Bex     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
After seeing the actual Air Traffic Controller video of the plane movements..

1) The Pittsburg area crash made it as far west as Cleveland, made a U-turn, headed back towards DC and then crashed in a rural area. It went down with landing gear UP and hit at about a 45 degree angle. I saw video. It's a patch of bare dirt covered it little pieces of metal and not much more.

2) The planes that hit the trade center changed route pretty early in their courses. One headed pretty much south and hit the first tower. The second plane went further west, then banked southeast, went south of Manhattan, then banked sharply north and went straight for the second tower.

They're thinking these planes were flown by the terrorists themselves since a pilot probably wouldn't fly into a building even if forced. (except the Pittsburg crash which may have been a result of a struggle)

-Bex

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Jimbo
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posted 09-11-2001 20:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'd bet Clem's right nut that all both WTC planes and the Pentagon plane were piloted by the terrorists - one, I agree that the pilots would refuse to do it. "Kill yourself or I'll shoot you?" Yeah, whatever.

Two, although the United Airlines goober on the radio kept saying "the terrorists must have had people qualified on the Boeing 767", it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to hit a fucking building with a plane... if you can operate a joystick, you're in there like swimwear. It's not like you have to successfully take off or land or anything - just know the city fairly well and/or be able to read a compass.

Three, the one that went into the Pentagon actually came in WAY low, clipped a couple light/power poles, and hit the ground OUTSIDE the Pentagon and slid in. On the one hand, this may well have done more damage than a direct strike, but... I still have a feeling that it just doesn't sound like the work of somebody who knew wtf he was doing.

Four, none of the planes' silent hijack alarm buttons were pushed - indicating that the pilots were very likely shot immediately, before they even knew what was going on.

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MightyMon
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posted 09-11-2001 21:45     Click Here to See the Profile for MightyMon   Click Here to Email MightyMon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
What surprises me the most about today is that the Pentagon was actually hit. As far as I know, the Pentagon's airspace is restricted, with AA batteries around it in case anything like this would happen. So that's why a low-flying plane makes sense, to get under radar and whatnot. Besides, unlike the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon is a short, squat building and a plane flying at a significant altitude would not have been able to hit it without detection.

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Jimbo
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posted 09-11-2001 21:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
To the best of my knowledge, there are no AA batteries around the Pentagon - it's not that type of facility. It's supposed to be secure against cloak-and-dagger stuff more than outright physical assault.

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jumper42
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posted 09-11-2001 22:38     Click Here to See the Profile for jumper42   Click Here to Email jumper42     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i have a private pilots licenses and the area around the white house and pentagon are definitly restricted airspace, but only on special occaisions will it be open (ie 4th of july, memeorial day, and vets day). i am not sure about the whole AA batery thing but i do believe something is in place. i know for a fact when a friend of mine was flying to close to a shuttle launch in FL they sent him repeated radio warnings and a military plane to say "hello". needless to say the faa took away his license.

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Snag
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posted 09-11-2001 22:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Snag   Click Here to Email Snag     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Could someone please explain to me what good AA batteries would do against a "big muvvafukkin' steel monstah" that's truckin' in your direction?

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Clme
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posted 09-11-2001 22:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Clme   Click Here to Email Clme     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I mean... at least a 'D' cell or a 9V...


what is an AA battery?

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fenomas
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posted 09-11-2001 23:04     Click Here to See the Profile for fenomas   Click Here to Email fenomas     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Anti-aircraft. There are some on the roof of the whitehouse, but apparently not around the pentagon.

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Clme
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posted 09-11-2001 23:24     Click Here to See the Profile for Clme   Click Here to Email Clme     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hrm. But... they couldn't do much against a commercial airliner already on a collision course could they? *sigh*

with fucking knives.

bah. Unless the terrorists had the cockpit locked from the inside (I hear they can do that)... I dont see how a group of guys with knives can keep control anyhow.

I'd also hate to be the guy who had to decide wether or not to shoot down a civilian aircraft before it crashes into a building.

perhaps I can build myself a little bunker underground and fill it full of MRE's and skin-mags. Then I'll sit there until I either die or I go crazy.

I gots to remember to poke air holes in the bunker this time though.

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jumper42
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posted 09-11-2001 23:46     Click Here to See the Profile for jumper42   Click Here to Email jumper42     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i take it clme that you have not had the pleasure or fun eating mre's for a long extended period of time. let me tell you that they do taste good and are PACKED with calories but you will soon notice that you are now missing a normal routine that you usually do on a daily basis, i am just guessing. that routine is taking a dump and you are backed up worse than having a cork in you ass. then when you do stop eating the crap and take a dump, like another five days after, you have the experience of what it feels like to have a dick in your ass, not that i ever had but it is the only thing i can equate it to. i still feel like that mre took my ass virginity after that first shit.


dont even get me started on how after a regular basis of having morning wood after turning 12, or so, that now i cant and get a half on after eating mre's. thankfully all functions turn to normal after a few days after you stop eating the crap.

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Clme
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posted 09-11-2001 23:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Clme   Click Here to Email Clme     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hrm... Well, if I've locked myself into an underground bunker with nothing but pr0n and MRE's...

Maybe its a good thing? I didnt' think of waste disposal

Of course... there's nothing like Korean-War era MRE's with dried-out-white chocolate to get the appetite going.

I'll eat the pr0n after I read it for the fiber.

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jumper42
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posted 09-12-2001 00:33     Click Here to See the Profile for jumper42   Click Here to Email jumper42     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i am not sure what good the pr0n is going to do after your member is like on mre provac. it acts like as if no one is at home. i guess it will let you spend the time TRYING to get your little buddy up.

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Demon-of-Elru
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posted 09-12-2001 01:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Demon-of-Elru   Click Here to Email Demon-of-Elru     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I don't understand how the terrorists took over the planes. Are people just pansies? The terrorists MUST HAVE BEEN GREATLY OUTNUMBERED! I mean geez. Plus... why didn't the pilots just crash somewhere else?

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fenomas
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posted 09-12-2001 02:56     Click Here to See the Profile for fenomas   Click Here to Email fenomas     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Probly we'll never know, but if I was the terrorists, I'd tell everyone to sit quiet, and they'll be set free once we get to Cuba. I wouldn't say, "you'll all die now or later, so heroes please try to take me knife away NOW"...

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Jimbo
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posted 09-12-2001 06:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
1. Yes, people are pansies.
2. What Fen said. (I'm tired of saying that, but there you have it...) Those folks didn't know what was in store for them... they were hoping for release somewhere else. I would like to think that some of the men on board would have rushed the terrorists if they knew what was up... but then again, see #1.

People think I'm the biggest redneck ever for believing that every adult should have experience on a firing range and at least the basics in hand-to-hand combat instruction. Maybe they're right. I personally don't think so - I personally believe that people are less likely to pull a bully routine when they know damned well that everyone around them at least understands the basics of combat.

Should people be required to be combatants or to own guns? No. But not getting a basic grounding in both of the above - regardless of your opinion of actually ENGAGING in combat or OWNING a gun - is, in my opinion, downright negligent.

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Jimbo
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posted 09-12-2001 07:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I just heard reports that the plane that went down in Pittsburgh was being held up by guys with boxcutters who were "abusing the flight attendants."

I will have to say that if I didn't already know that the plane was going down, there's no way in hell that I as a passenger would initiate hostilities against a guy that was holding a flight attendant hostage and carving little chunks out of her with a boxcutter to prove he meant business about it. If I knew that the alternative was having the plane go down, yes - but not if I thought it was a standard hostage situation.

And I don't see how any of those people could have understood what was truly at stake.

Note: looks like I'm gonna have to start taking my damned swiss army knife out of my pocket and checking it with my damn in-hold baggage again... which is really a pain in the ass since I normally try to travel WITHOUT any checked baggage. ::sigh::

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joshy
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posted 09-12-2001 08:41     Click Here to See the Profile for joshy   Click Here to Email joshy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The plane in PA crashed AFTER the other two hit the WTC, and since several people on it made cell phone calls after it was hijacked, there's a very strong chance that the passengers knew what was going to happen to them, and tried to overwhelm the hijackers. Hopefully that is the reason it crashed, as opposed to a report I heard of from an FAA worker at Wright Pat AFB, BEFORE the 4th plane was announced, that the USAF had shot down a hijacked airliner near Camp David.

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