posted 09-13-2001 16:37            

But, I'm going to stop posting for now, because I do respect that tragedy that has happenned in the United States.

I just wish you'd all try to step in someone else's shoes for once, or at least look to have a conversation with someone who isn't in the social boat as you.

posted 09-13-2001 17:27            

Fuckit. Give blood and go away.

I dont give a shit what color your blood is either (although there is a preference for type-O)

posted 09-13-2001 18:01         

quote:

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Originally posted by Snag:
I'd appreciate it if you didn't make another personal attack on me, because that's what that post seemed like.

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I think he's just exasperated, not attacking you. Typo-O blood is a universal donor, so it makes sense that its more in demand.

The "go away" thing is purely cooincidental

posted 09-13-2001 18:12            

Please note, however, that your last post just BEGS for a real personal attack. After all... I wasn't attacking you, I was questioning your ethics.

posted 09-13-2001 18:13            

quote:

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Originally posted by fenomas:
insulting white trash is not the same as insulting whites.

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posted 09-13-2001 18:25            

quote:

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Originally posted by Snag:
I just wish you'd all try to step in someone else's shoes for once, or at least look to have a conversation with someone who isn't in the social boat as you.

But, whatever. I can only hope for things.

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Good thing you know every last detail about our whitebread lives, what conversations we have had, with whom, and what our personal economic levels are like.

posted 09-13-2001 19:12            

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Originally posted by Jimbo:
Fucking BINGO. Insulting ragheads isn't the same as insulting Middle Easterners either, goddammit.

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Jimbo, you know what I meant by this. The term "white trash" refers to a small segment of white society. I've even heard non-whites referred to as "basically white trash".

I don't think "raghead" refers to a subset of middle-easterners. The image of someone saying "white trash" to a successful, educated white banker seems mismatched. But I can imagine someone saying "raghead" to any middle-easterner, not just the evil ones with bomb strapped to them. That's what I meant.

DOE- I told you where it came from- I think you're off base here. You've mentioned plenty how secluded your upbringing was, so is it so hard to imagine that you'd have a different perspective if you'd grown up differently? I know that my opinions regarding racism have changed more than I would have, at your age, thought possible- from college (many nonwhite room-mates, each with a story) and living in japan (which is about 99% racially homogeneous).

posted 09-13-2001 19:23            

quote:

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Originally posted by fenomas:
Jimbo, you know what I meant by this. The term "white trash" refers to a small segment of white society. I've even heard non-whites referred to as "basically white trash".

I don't think "raghead" refers to a subset of middle-easterners. The image of someone saying "white trash" to a successful, educated white banker seems mismatched. But I can imagine someone saying "raghead" to any middle-easterner, not just the evil ones with bomb strapped to them. That's what I meant.

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No. I don't see the difference AT ALL. I have said FROM THE BEGINNING that I only applied the word to the images of the people cheering riotously in the streets and discharging firearms overhead at the idea of civilian deaths. That IS the image in my mind that the words "fucking raghead" come up with. That IS the precise group of people I hear referred to as "fucking raghead" when other people say it.

I find the application of the term to Middle Easterners in general as shocking as you seem to find the application of "white trash" to white people in general.

And I do not "know what you mean", I was frankly astonished that you would make the distinctions you apparently are making.

posted 09-13-2001 19:58            

1. you are retarded

c. hit every branch on the stupid tree on
your most recent fall

posted 09-13-2001 20:06            

Many of you are all clearly too afraid to think about things from different points of view.

Jumper, you're a fucking asshole.

I've read all your replies. I've thought about them. I disagree with what you say. But, I've never attacked you beliefs like you've raped mine. Thanks a lot. You've really put my faith back into the PenIs crew.

Fenomas and Bex are the only one's I think have a clue about what they're talking about.

Now I will, "go away"

[This message has been edited by Snag (edited 09-13-2001).]

posted 09-13-2001 20:19           

stick to the issues, people. not offending people and their intellectual property.this is not the time or the venue for it.

posted 09-13-2001 20:37         

quote:

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Originally posted by Snag:
This is the last post I will make.

Many of you are all clearly too afraid to think about things from different points of view.

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I see Snag is following my well-tested "freak out and not post again" tactic. Trust me man, that doesn't work, fen already chewed me out for it. I diserved it too.

Secondly, why do you say this: "Many of you are all clearly too afraid to think about things from different points of view."

So, is this some sort of kiss/slap? Gee, you'd think that someone bitching about being constantly insulted would refrain from dishing it out himself, eh?

Man, let us have our own opinions. That is the essence of debate. Hell, maybe we'll end up agreeing to disagree. That may be the best we can do-just flow with it. The only reason people are being so hostile to you is that the minute they refuse to budge on their own opinions-which they have the right to do-you call them close minded and treat them like simpletons.

I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm no angel either, but this is the way I'm seeing it. Just chill man. Everyone chill. Including myself.

posted 09-13-2001 20:40            

I have disagreed with pretty much half of what you've said, but I've never once said "snag, you're a moron" or anything like that.

I was insulted by what you were saying too, thats why I kept responding even though part of me kept saying "leave it alone and go do something else". Perhaps I should have listened to that voice a little earlier. Maybe taken my own advice, gone away, and given some blood. (Red Cross lines are busy here).

I actually think that you are an intelligent person. You make very good points much of the time. Even when I disagree with you I find that your points are not without merit, and have some thought behind them.

BUT:
I disagree with you in this case. This is a message board, after all.

I make it a point as much as I can not to be racist. I used to work at a grocery store that was predominately (I'd say 50%) muslim refugees (a lot from Kosovo) and Mexicans. I spoke with them every day. Many I still speak with even though I dont work there anymore. These people were lawyers and professionals that had been forced out of their country with 15 minutes notice OR LESS. They were discriminated against, and took it very well considering they were now working in a grocery store.

Blacks? The city of Madison, Wisconsin does have a black population. I live one block away from what was a ghetto 5 years ago. Now it is government owned housing that a "clean up" effort has been moderately successful in. I went to school with people of all races. While I have not actually went into inner city chicago and hung out with impoverished south side natives, I have not exactly been hanging out in all-white farm community either.

Thats why I was a little bit offended.

While I dont want you to actually leave forever, I think that it would be best if we left this thread altogether. Emotions seem to have taken us over the top here, and it was never my intention to try and scare a person away. Especially a person with whom I've witnessed rather interesting and intelligent debate in recent history.

But you're really just mad at me because I snuck out that night with our favorite goat and didn't call you for a month, aren't you. Damn goat always did like you better.

Any votes on closing this thread and forgetting it every happened?

posted 09-13-2001 20:51            

Thx To Jimbo for pointing this 'toon out to me.

posted 09-13-2001 21:03            

You never offer to hold the head for ME!!

Bastard.

posted 09-13-2001 21:27            

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The exec. said, "Fine. Glad to have the company."

All went well for a couple of holes, until each approached the sixth green. When the new fellow laid down his clubs, the cover came off one club. The exec. noticed, however, that it wasn't a club at all. It was a high powered rifle.

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"Look," said the other man. "I'm not out to cause any trouble. If you want me to leave, I will. No hard feelings."

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"Wow," said the other. "I've heard about guys like you, but I've never met one before."

"Still want me to play?" said the other.

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The other man showed him the rifle. It was beautiful--an inlaid Weatherby with a huge powerful scope mounted on it.

The exec. picked it up, looked through the scope, and said, "Gee, I can see the window of my condo with this thing. Matter of fact, there's my wife." He lowered the gun for a moment and said, "she doesn't have any clothes on." He looked through the scope again. "Damn, there's a guy with her."

The Erie exec. lowered the rifle and looked at the other man. "How much do you charge?"

"$10,000 a bullet," said the man.

The Erie man thought for a moment, and said, "Do it."

"Which one?" said the hit man.

"Both," said the exec.

"That's $20,000, you know."

"I don't care. hit 'em both."

The hit man took two cartridges from his bag and loaded the rifle. "Where do you want me to get the man?" he asked.

"You know where to hit him," said the exec.

"How about the woman?"

"In the mouth. She's always flapping her gums anyway."

"Ok," said the hit man as he raised the rifle. Taking careful aim, he clicked off the safety, but then he paused and chuckled. "Mister," he said, "I think I'm going to be able to save you ten thousand dollars."