posted 11-30-2001 05:25           

The Army of God

God Damn this shit angers me. Stupid bastards who are so pro-life, they contradict themselves by murdering the doctors who perform abortions. Actually the whole anti-abortion thing angers me (my opinion, if you don't like it, suck it). My thought on the whole thing is this: It's your damn body, do what you want with it (and that doesn't mean EVERYONE who gets pregnant will rush over to the clinic immediately either). People should be able to make their own decisions. Anti-abortion activists have way too much time on their hands and get into other people's business - FUCK OFF. Don't get me wrong, the abortion of a fetus does upset me. But in the end, it's the decision of the bearing party.

PRO-CHOICE

The leader of this Army of God is some dumbass hick reverand named Johnny Wad (I can't remember his damn name so Johnny Wad is going to do for now). "I prefer a fetus over an adult."

This man praises the use of Anthrax threat letters in order scare abortion clinics. Sick fuck. You'd almost suspect that he was behind all of the nation's Anthrax incidents.

Someone hunt this man down and give him a mandatory sex change along with Bin Laden. Remember, this man isn't a fetus so it's open season to shoot or bomb him.

I know that this Army of God doesn't fairly represent all the other anti-abortion activists in this world, but their acts alone are giving them a bad name.

So everyone around the world, let's share our anger and end this topic with a simultaneous:

posted 11-30-2001 12:48            

I hate this whole abortion issue. True, I would NEVER have one, but I have never been in that situation.
A friend of mine had one. I told her that yes, I was mad, but who am I to judge her? I am not in her situation. I also think she should have carried full and given it up for adoption, but *I* cannot choose for her.

posted 11-30-2001 12:58            

That's just not fair, damnit, and well... I think it's pretty pathetic that you would use that as an arguement. Excentrics are everywhere, just ignore them.

Maybe one of you can tell me why a baby is considered a baby when the head comes out. It's the same damn thing whether or not its out of the vagina yet, people don't seem to get that. And, no, it's not part of her body, it's an individual, with individual DNA.

posted 11-30-2001 13:35            

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
... I think it's pretty pathetic that you would use that as an arguement. Excentrics are everywhere, just ignore them.

Maybe one of you can tell me why a baby is considered a baby when the head comes out. It's the same damn thing whether or not its out of the vagina yet, people don't seem to get that. And, no, it's not part of her body, it's an individual, with individual DNA.

And hell... nobody aborted you.

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Uh, read the entire post before you start arguing.

You apparently missed an entire line.

posted 11-30-2001 13:46            

Oh yeah, and about making fun of those who go out to protest: I think it's sad that:

1. You don't have anything you find important enough to do anything about... passively sitting through life, hoping others will make the decisions you like (and if not, believing they will get better on their own), and

posted 11-30-2001 17:50            

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2. You don't seem to realize that there are pro-choice activists too...

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...Do they go around bombing anti-abortion clinics?

posted 11-30-2001 19:44            

"But she was 96! She got hit by a bus!"

posted 11-30-2001 21:39            

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
Come on man... anybody who is rational will understand that there are people who are excentric enough to do crazy acts. I would hope that they don't lump the two groups together.

Oh yeah, and about making fun of those who go out to protest: I think it's sad that:

1. You don't have anything you find important enough to do anything about... passively sitting through life, hoping others will make the decisions you like (and if not, believing they will get better on their own), and

2. You don't seem to realize that there are pro-choice activists too...

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1. I don't want people making decisions for me, that's why many people can't stand pro-life activists (it's none of your business, leave it alone). People don't have to jump on bandwagons, it's called independence.

and...

2. The reason why there's pro-choice activists is because of pro-life activists.

posted 12-01-2001 11:45            

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Originally posted by Amazon:
Some say that a woman should be allowed an abortion if she was raped. What's the difference? Would the child of rape become a rapist? The sins of the father passed to the son? I don't buy that either.

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I don't know whether or not I'd ever have an abortion. I woouldn't decide FOR SURE until I was in that position (god forbid).

posted 12-01-2001 20:17            

Thanks for the backup, it's just... you all know the quote... arguing on the inter-net is like running in the special olypmics...

posted 12-01-2001 21:33         

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Originally posted by weis:
Someday, I'm going to find a pro-lifer who understands that "should people have abortions" and "should abortion be illegal" are almost wholly unrelated arguments. Either that, or I'd like to see some Christian "activists" stand up on a podium and argue that illegal, unsafe abortions are preferable to legal abortions in clinics.

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i can't say that i've seen it up on a podium, but i've had this conversation with a Xtian (he's getting his masters of divinity as i type this,) friend of mine who pretty much said this exact same thing. the logic is 'unsafe + illegal' abortions will have stigma and guilt (well, moreso, than otherwise,) and as such will drive the total number of abortions down.

the fact that this will kill people (not fetuses, but real, live, already walking-around-and-doing-stuff people) and that it's a cold, callous, inhumane way of looking at people (and their behaviour,) never seems to cross any Xtian's minds (or at least any of the ones who are in favor of making abortions illegal.)

avoid pregnancy and 69 your days away.

a good idea.

posted 12-02-2001 00:13            

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
But as for you sorry asshole who posted that thing in the Harrison thread - you are perhaps the most uncultured bastard I have ever been in contact with - in real life or the internet.

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boo hoo did somebodies feelings get hurt? well no matter, even if you can get abortions illegal i have a whole closet of coat hangers screaming to be used. i may lack a medical degree but i sure as hell can unwind a coat hanger and jab around in there. why is it that some of the most out spoken people against abortion are men? oh well, but it looks like god got one of yours and may be after the rest. CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS NOW!!! CHNAGE YOUR BELIEFS NOW!!!

-jumper42
spreading the love since 1977

posted 12-02-2001 09:30            

It's funny that the only girl who has posted in this thread has been in favor of not having abortions (although she admitted she could find circumstances necessary).

I told myself I wouldn't waste my time here, but I may as well.

First of all, you're under the illusion that all abortions that are performed in medical clinics are perfectly safe. I am not surprised, the actual numbers are quite well hidden... but the truth is, you're putting a pair of tongs into a pussy, grabbing around at what you can't see, and yanking. You're gonna injure something. You pull out a fetus - one arm, one leg, at a time - by a pair of fucking hamburger tongs. Don't tell me you get 100% accuracy on each one - it NEVER happens, and almost always does something rupture.

There are other methods, too.. let's see... oh yes, there's a fun one where they inject a chemical into the woman's uterus hoping to suffocate and burn the fetus into death. Usually this works, causes a bit of damage to the woman though, but it gets the fetus. This method isn't as effective as others; there are been some fetuses to survive this procedure. I bet it would be somewhat troubling to the mother to educate the child on why she tried to kill it.

Then there are the partial birth abortions... wow, these are really sick... what they do, they eject about 90% of the fetus (this is a whole fetus, mind you, a 3rd trimester abortion is usually done in this way... arms, legs, developed brain... basically, if it popped out on its own accord, it would live and be as normal as any other human). They leave the head in the mother, because if the head came out, the fetus instantly (yes, instantly) turns from what the law defines as a non living being into a new born baby (even though the body is wriggling away in the doctor's hands). They position the baby so the doctor has easy access to the softest spot in its skull, and then tear through that, insert a vaccuum into its head, and suck out the fucking brain. The skull collapses in on itself.

But no, you don't care, it's the mother's right to choose.

You don't care that a staggaring (well, relative) number of women only have one abortion (when they're allowed as many as they want) due to health reasons. There are abortion doctors who committ suicide because they know what they do is wrong - killing a fetus for a couple of grand to pay for gas for his fucking sports car.

Would I be happy if they only had abortions in cases of rape, incest, and danger to mother's life? Yes. Only 1% of all abortions happen for this reason. The rest of them... money. Change of lifestyle. They were probably given by nature the freedom of having sex, but they can't accept the responsibilities that go along with it.

Also psychological reasons. You know, they do see arms, legs, bits of peices coming out of their body. It's then that they realize what they did was wrong.

And overpopulation? Have you been anywhere in the world? First of all, Abortion only occurs in the western societies (barring China, who kills the child when its alive [I suppose to give a fighting chance?]) such as the United Kingdom and the USA. Why is this? Have you ever been on the road, or have you live your life trapped in a huge city?

You could fit the worlds population into Kansas easily. The United States provides enough food to feed the world over and over (if you're going to ask me why there's starving people, I'm going to ask you why we produce far more waste than anybody else... it's because there's no love in the world).

posted 12-02-2001 11:03            

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
You could fit the worlds population into Kansas easily. The United States provides enough food to feed the world over and over (if you're going to ask me why there's starving people, I'm going to ask you why we produce far more waste than anybody else... it's because there's no love in the world).

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posted 12-02-2001 12:46            

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
It's funny that the only girl who has posted in this thread has been in favor of not having abortions (although she admitted she could find circumstances necessary).

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...and most woman aren't in favor of abortions, what's your point? I personally am not in favor either, but that's not the point of this entire thread. This thread is not about your pro-life views and beliefs, it's about pro-life spamming and how fucking annoying (yet sometimes too excessive) it can be.

I'm not saying that your views are wrong, your graphic depictions of abortion procedures were very informing (and you deserve the right to your own views). However, it all stems back to the choice of the individual. Yes, it's good to be informed of the abortion process and all of its potential consequences, but informing an individual is as far as it should go. Bottom line: It's still the individual's decision, pro-life activists need to stop telling people what to do and mind their own fucking business.

Pro-life extremists - may your homemade pipe bombs accidentally blow off or destroy all your reproductive organs, therefore stopping further desecration of this nations' already damaged image and free 'true' pro-life individuals or groups of an overly bad rep.

"All your fetus are belong to us!"
- The Army of God

I think Amazon said it best:

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I just wish that everyone would mind their own damn business. I think I would rather allow abortions than to hear about another baby smothered and thrown in a lake or dumpster.

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
You could fit the worlds population into Kansas easily. The United States provides enough food to feed the world over and over (if you're going to ask me why there's starving people, I'm going to ask you why we produce far more waste than anybody else... it's because there's no love in the world).

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You have lost all credibility with this tumultuous ranting.

Did you get a free toaster to write this shit?

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Buck Futter!

posted 12-02-2001 13:47            

Yes, I agree that MOST women are against abortion, but how many have been in the situation that they felt they HAD to have one? Probably more than I realize.
Could I myself have one? Yes and no. As a pagan, I believe that all life is sacred. What if it was rape? I'd prolly bear it, but give it up for adoption.
But then again, would I? I don't know. Seems to me that a large portion of adopted children are abused anyway...
ARGH! I am TOTALLY confusing myself with this post...

Fuck it... When I take over the world... I don't know how i'd change things...