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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-07-2001 18:48     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
ok well here's the deal, i will be getting a job a little bit after x-mas, im aiming to try and get an interview not till around jan 15th....its right when 2nd semester starts, etc, just want ot get situated.

I might as well just tell the whoel damn story, since its late, im bored, and well, hell,,,yeah.

ok there is EDS corp. (which is about 1mile from my skool, would be great to work there cause its so close, after class,etc)
then American Axle corp,
well my step dad used to be CEO of amer axle and his old secratary is now hooking me up with a job @ EDS or amer. axle (thru EDS)...she said her and her boss's were impressed with my resume, but here's the thing, they told my mom ill haev to take a "intense drug screening - that traces back to 6months"
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so on my cell my mom calls me and tells me this, and shes like "i need to ask a personal ?..." im like ok,,,"have you,,done ne thing ... in the past 6months? " (keep in mind my mom thinks im an angle cause all i do is computer stuff and get good grades etc...)

so im like "well err maybe a few months ago"
and shes like "well just go home and you better think about how long ago it was"

so now im home and shes like 'were gonna have a little talk tomororw'
well i get her talking right nowand shes like 'blah blah its a hair follecule test,,balh'

so here is my deal
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1) im skinny (fast metabolism) which is good
2) i have really short hair,, and will be getting it cut right b4 i go in there ne ways.. heh i mean its really short, just comb'd forward etc...

now im just wanting some advice,
ive been a regular pot smoker for some time now, and when i found out i might be getting a job I stopped smoking for 2 weeks, then started up for another week, then found this out, and quit again,,,for good.

i wouldn't smoke that much, since my skool is an engineering school and there are no parties here, i smoke by myself and only need like a small bowl of nice buds to get me high and im set.

so its not like im smoking doobie after blunt every day...

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so any advice here, on the hair thing, from THIS DAY (TODAY) when i stopped smoking, till the time i get a job WILL AT LEAST BE 1 FULL MONTH....

im just wondering what you all think (plez seriuos comments) - i know we'd have the drug test discussion b4, but i just want a little bit more info on the hair testing,,

its a big corporation so im sure they do "newly developed" testing methods etc...

and my mom said "once you get tested positive, your never allowed to work for that corp again"
which is not good...

any comments? thx

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Der Senfmeister
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posted 12-07-2001 19:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Der Senfmeister   Click Here to Email Der Senfmeister     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I've heard that if they consider your hair to be too short they'll use body hair. So... shave it off, just incase, and maybe cut your hair a bit shorter than you usually do. *shrug* I've kinda wondered what they'd say for a test like that to someone with no hair at all.

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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-07-2001 19:16     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
yeah my mom keeps stressing that the lady was like "6months, not a day less, and it will show up..." errr


not good at all, i dont have really long like arm hair or ne thing,,

will THC still get into like your leg hair and all that? i thought most thc or whatever that gets into your head hair is from like , surrounding smoke, like in the air after you exhale, not like thc in your hair follecules from internally

....arg..shrug...drugs bad

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grendelkhan
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posted 12-07-2001 20:31     Click Here to See the Profile for grendelkhan   Click Here to Email grendelkhan     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Why the heck are you worried about your hair??? No one EVER actually does that, it's a bad urban myth Hell, in the military screening people with Top Secret clearances, all I've ever done is piss in a bottle.

My advice, go down to your neighborhood NORML store, tell them who you're taking the test for, and they will hook you up.

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Dave
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posted 12-07-2001 20:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
in practice, hair follicle tests are prohibitively expensive for companies to use regularly. unless your hair is shaved (completely gone, not just "really short") and regrown from a week after you stop smoking; it's gonna show. hair is dead matter and a pretty good record of what your body has consumed within a given amount of time. ideally, they'll want cranial hair, not body (altho facial might do it,) because that's the fastest growning.

odds are you're being bullshitted about the company doing the hair test (unless you're applying for a really sensitive position, where they NEED to know that you're sober or people will die or something).
http://www.smokedot.org/ and norml.org would be good places to bring this up.

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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-07-2001 21:20     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
thanks a lot, really taking some pressure and anxiety off my mind, cause i REALLY need this job, just to get my foot in the door, and its quite a big company (EDS is)

but the lady that talked to my mom told her that HER son works at EDS too, and he had to take an "intense drug screening" process...and anything from "6months" would show and they take a "hair test"


now my mom COULD be exgargerating, and so could the lady (i hope)...i dunno because my friend works at GM (hes 18 too) and they gave him hair test...so...

also, my mom kinda knows i smoke pot now (well not even that) cause shes bitching to me about how long ago it was, and i better "remmeber the approx date"

haha shes talking to me and i just want to say "you know what mom, i know so fucking much about drugs i stuudy this shit a lot"

but then she would think im a druggie and everything would go bad, even tho i would still win the conversation heh

damn i really hope its just a piss test, after all im being hired in as a computer tech, not a fucking CEO or a super secret double agent...just another normal guy working in a huge corp.

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Sara
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posted 12-08-2001 01:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Sara   Click Here to Email Sara     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Regardless of expense they're popular enough to warrant worry. Any good head shop will have a shampoo that strips your hair, usually you wash your hair the morning of.
Cheap Good refund policy More specific products

They range in price from 20-50 bucks, but close friends have vouched for their effectiveness... most of the companies will give you a 200% refund if you can prove you failed and save your receipt!

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Dave
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posted 12-08-2001 02:17     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Florida man suing airline for kicking him off cos he had pot on him. he's one of 7 people in the nation legally allowed to smoke weed.

http://www.erowid.org is a great resource, including this article that's relevant to you.

hyperreal.org is a related site

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Hair Tests

*Are considered the least intrusive method of drug testing.

*Are currently many times more expensive than urine tests (~$100-$150).

*Detect substance use over a longer period (see detection period)

*Do not usually detect use within the past week.

*Require a sample of hair about the diameter of a pencil and 1.5 inches long. They can not be done with a single hair.

*Test positive a little more than twice as often as a urine test. In a recent study, out of 1823 paired hair and urine samples, 57 urine samples tested positive for drugs of abuse; while 124 hair samples from the same group tested positive.

*Are not significantly affected by brief periods of abstinence from drugs.

*Can sometimes be used to determine when use occured and if it has been discontinued. Drugs, such as opiates (codeine, morphine, heroin) lay down on the hair shaft very tightly and are shown not to migrate along the shaft, thus, if a long segment of hair is available one can draw some "relative" conclusions about when the use occurred. However cocaine, although very easy to detect, is able to migrate along the shaft; making it very difficult to determine when the drug was used and for how long.

*Claims to be able to reliably differentiate between opiate and poppy seed use

*We've recently heard (8/2001) that many hair tests now check for more than the NIDA 5, and include at least Cannabis, Ecstasy/MDMA, Cocaine, Opiates, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine, Phencyclidine (PCP), Benzodiazepines, & Barbiturates.



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LaMFear
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posted 12-08-2001 02:30     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMFear   Click Here to Email LaMFear     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
How about you don't take drugs? I know I'm kicking in an open door here, but is all this hassle worth it?
I mean, it's just pot. Surely all the worries and drugtests aren't worth it?

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Sara
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posted 12-08-2001 02:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Sara   Click Here to Email Sara     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yes.

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LaMFear
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posted 12-08-2001 05:47     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMFear   Click Here to Email LaMFear     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Oh. Well in that case I wish you a lot of fun with your drugs.

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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-08-2001 07:30     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
lamfear i already stopped so, i just didn't think the test would be this bad...

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grendelkhan
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posted 12-08-2001 07:59     Click Here to See the Profile for grendelkhan   Click Here to Email grendelkhan     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Like I said the NORML offfice will hook you up. Head shop is a good source as well, these places all have lists of what companies use what tests, and they have stuff that work on said test pretty much 99% of the time. It will be basically a package of Kool-Aid that you need to drink like a couple hours before the test and it will ensure that you give them a nice "clean" specimen.

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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-08-2001 09:19     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
NORML office?

is there real offices? or is it just online, thx a bunch - im definetely going to check into this

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MrSelfdestruct
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posted 12-08-2001 11:54     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSelfdestruct   Click Here to Email MrSelfdestruct     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Here is a cure that would do us all a favor:

Shoot Self In Head

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not even sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-

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LaMFear
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posted 12-08-2001 12:27     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMFear   Click Here to Email LaMFear     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
OD? An OD would be nice.

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xclusive069
drooling cretin
posted 12-08-2001 13:14     Click Here to See the Profile for xclusive069   Click Here to Email xclusive069     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
ok talked to step bro, yeah it should all be fine, he told me of a place (A few) to get the shampoo
soo

and btw my mom wont even let me cross the street let alone keep a gun in the house

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Dave
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posted 12-10-2001 19:24     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Suck: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/potdog1.shtml

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"On a scale of 1 to 10, I'm soooo drunk." [DiVx]

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Jimbo
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posted 12-10-2001 19:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimbo   Click Here to Email Jimbo     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
BAD DOG!

Bad, BAD dog!

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