posted 12-18-2001 10:05            

and I

Re-pete

"NO I won't let them tap my phone"
"But I'll tap your younger sister"

posted 12-18-2001 11:35           

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Originally posted by PeterWiggin:
[B]Your a Ranting Lunatic. You'll let them "tap your phone lines, because you have nothing to hide?" Tapping your phone will help find terroristS? No one will tap anything of mine (unless i don't knwo about it). How could you just throw away your rights, you think after the "terror" is over that your get your rights back? SHeeeeit. And this common good thing. What reaaally is better for the common good??? TO live like lab rats after the terroism is over?

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What "bad things" are happening to US citizens because of 9/11? The detainees in Washington are being held on visa infractions.

It seems that the people that fear government surveillance are people with something to hide. I can understand that. I don't share your fear so I have a different perspective. So you see Ashcroft as next trying to find your bag of stash as a pretext for the search for information on terrorists. Is this pretty much it?

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What you call patriotism i call "lack of long term vision."

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Liberals oppose curtailment of civil liberties because they seen this as the thin edge of the wedge, what they don't understand it that it's not a wedge at all.

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By the way i do not side with a Conservative, or Liberal "party", which is really just semantic bullshit.

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The Constitution was drafted by "liberals", but you must remember that liberals back then would have more in common with conservatives of today than liberals of today. Can you imagine a liberal today getting upset about taxes and dumping tea in Boston Harbor? People upset about taxes in Boston, of all places; imagine that! And this right to keep and bear arms... militias... a limited Federal government of enumerated powers... the Tenth Amendment... distrust of government... the Founding Fathers would be scorned and laughed at by liberals of today. Mind you, conservatives wouldn't be very happy about the Ninth Amendment, and most of them are a bit suspicious of the right to pursue happiness, recognized in the Declaration of Independence (no, not a legal document, but anyway that right is covered in the Ninth Amendment). No doubt the founders would lose if any of them ran today.

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Who you gonna vote for? Puppet A or Puppet B? I think Puppet A's fasad really goes along with my psudo-conservative-libratarian-meaningless-subjective-naming-conventions, and the shifty values associated with each. I think Puppet B will really blow shit up big time if we get into a war. Let's vote for carnage and destruction, at least it will be real and we wont have to pay for it at the movies.

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You lost me here, is this sarcasam?

Now let me give you a situation. You have a known foreign terrorist who knows the location of a dirty radiation bomb set to go off in NY in 20 minutes. How far would you go to get information from him. Are his rights worth more than the lives of 100,000 citizens?

At what point are lives more important than civil rights? This is more a moral question than a political one.

The constitutional grounds for search and seizure are quite firm. But in the context that this information will be used to persecute you. It's a whole new constitutional area when phones are tapped, etc. to gather information on an organization bent on the destruction of the Country.

posted 12-18-2001 13:52         

*Methinks its a bit more readable in white, non?*

posted 12-18-2001 14:12            

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Originally posted by MightyMon:
I thought the problem here was FC trolls, or ex-FC trolls, or someone posing as FC trolls, posting with dumb nicks like "Staunch Conservative" and "Staunch Capitalist" in an effort to try to get people in one huff or another.

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Exactly. I'd let the Federal Government put survelence cameras up my ass, GPS chips under my fingernails, shoot people with olive complexions on sight, and lock me in a 3x3 wooden box full of fire ants, if any of that might even be mistaken for being helpfull in the fight against trolls.

And don't let the trolls claims of persecution and hardship weaken our resolve in stamping them out. Their actions, as illustrated by this very thread, should clearly demonstrate that they are hatefull fiends who do not want- or deserve- our mercy, and they should not be allowed to breath the same fresh air of sweet, glorious Freedom that the rest of us God-loving Americans do.

(note to self: no more KMX at tea-time)

posted 12-18-2001 21:02            

First, register your name, or no-one can tell which comments are really yours.

posted 12-18-2001 22:47           

This, folks, is what will bring us together. These Taliban force their women to cover their bodies completely. Now we know that these men, like all others, crave the female body. It's human nature.

The best solution, therefore, is to drop porn packets all over the Afgan country. When the enemy sees these hot, hot, young sluts, they will drop their guard and surrender.

Then, once the Taliban have surrendered, we can kill them swiftly.

posted 12-19-2001 06:12           

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Originally posted by KetchupRAT:
i wish a poison gas cloud would eat humanity!!! it'd be great!

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posted 12-20-2001 03:00            

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Originally posted by Staunch Conservative:
In times of national crisis a patriot will make sacrifices for the common good. I, for one, am willing to make sacrifices even if it only saves the life of a single person. If the FBI wants to tap my phone lines in an effort to find terrorists I say go for it.
(What the hell, I don't have anything to hide anyway) This doesn’t mean I like it, but I will make this sacrifice for the common good. If I am asked to protect my Country, I am willing to put my life on the line.

What sacrifices are liberals willing to make?

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posted 12-20-2001 07:29            

"Sacrifices for the common good" means gas rationing, shifting industry to producing consumables needed for the war effort (remember the Hemp For The War posters?), enlisting / accepting a commission for the duration of the war if necessary, etc... not turning the citizenry into clients of a fucking police state.

posted 12-21-2001 11:16            

For a short post, there are 3 or 4 different types of propoganda available here. Unfortunately, this is the only remarkable quality this post contained.

How exactly is your life endangered by a phone tap?

You seem to be making the claim that ALL conservatives are down with this concept, have chosen to 'take one for the team', and seem to be attempting to draw a line in the sand and pat yourself on the back at the same time. As a fellow American, I find the willingness to puss out and let the Feds go through every communication made by every citizen a treason on the ideals set forth by the Constitution. Maybe 100,000 people get killed by a dirty nuke, or maybe not, this is the price of freedom. Not grabbing your ankles for inspection at the first sign of trouble. That is the price for being a dirty little whore.

posted 12-21-2001 21:32         

"One Size Fits All."

posted 12-29-2001 11:19            

Unbeknownst to anybody - including me, until I looked at the resulting pic on my laptop later - a short, fat, balding early-50's manager type happened to be totally staring at her ass at precisely that moment.

He had a contemplative look on his face... and it's also an incredibly unflattering picture of her.

It's probably also worth noting that, with the exception of this picture, I've NEVER caught this guy ogling chicks before, and neither has anybody else that I know of. (You know that office rumor mill.)